Gleb Pavlovsky Accused Poles of Turning over Jews to Nazis :: Charter'97 :: News

Gleb Pavlovsky, Effective Politics Foundation head, a Kremlin spin-doctor, and Vladimir Bukovsky, who was presented as a “legendary person”, a dissenter, a writer who has to live abroad, arrived to a conference “Russia – Backslide to Empire?” in Warsaw yesterday, the European radio for Belarus informs.

Everybody expected an intellectual fight, but it hasn’t taken place. Organizers of the conference have decided not to take the risk and not to create conditions for an emotional spat; that is why guests were invited into the hall one at a time. But it was hot still; listeners filled the hall, steps and corridors to capacity.

In the hall Gleb Pavlovsky was greeted by people Chechen flags shouting “You are going to listen to a criminal and murderer!” The audience met these words with applause.

Everybody was interested most what Pavlovsky has to say to the theme “Russia and its imperialistic interests”. And Pavlovsky said:

“We do not have any ideas for Poland, we have no ideas about ruling Georgia. To be sincere, we do not care how Georgia is governed, we do not care about its economy, and we care not a snap for the US economy.

I have one more dreadful secret, but I am going to reveal it to you: we not to give a darn about Polish politics. All of us, except those who are paid for analyzing Polish politics, but they must be paid much money, otherwise it would be uneconomic!”

People in the audience were impatiently exclaiming “It’s not true!” during his speech.

There were not only journalists, but students in the audience, who tried to talk over Chechnya, clod war, Polish-Russian relations with him. However, the political analyst, a well-known master of demagogy, summed up the results of the debate:

“It would be senseless to enter into controversy. One of the most uninteresting things is disputes of Atheists with Catholics. They take you nowhere. I have appreciated the atmosphere and your attitude towards Russia”.

The discussion has touched upon Belarus. Pavlovsky noted that a process of re-privatization is taking place in Russia, and it results in manipulating backward masses.

Gleb Pavlovsky is an ardent supporter of Russia-Belarus union. There was no answer why re-privatization is bad for Russia, and good for Belarus.

Pavlovsky simply noted that Lukashenka is doing everything for Belarusians to remain a nation, and even quoted Lukashenka, which drew indignation of the audience again.

“Do you remember how Belarusians acted during the World War II? They acted differently from Poles, they haven’t been turning over their Jews, they were defending them,” Pavlovsky said.

The listeners started to hiss, thump the seats and shout: “Scandal!!!”

And Vladimir Bukovsky, as a real dissident, started with an eloquent funny story which explained his position:

“A crow is sitting on a tree with a piece of cheese in her beak. A fox asks her: “Are you going to vote for Putin?” The crow keeps silent. “Well, Crow, could you say just yes or no?” The crow says: “Yes”. The cheese fell out of the crow’s beak, and the fox stole it. The crow remained pondering: “What if I said no?”

The Russians had the same choice, between a Communist and a KGB man. Is it an election?! According to this analogy, it is the same as offering Germans to choose between two candidates for a Chancellor, a SS-man and a Gestapo man”.